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"11/10/97 7:26:46 PM","Professor","Good evening, Mrs.
Washington!"
"11/10/97 7:27:09 PM","Martha Washington","Good Evening to you"
"11/10/97 7:27:29 PM","Professor","It seems like ages since we
got together in a NetMeeting."
"11/10/97 7:27:55 PM","Martha Washington","It certainly does seem
that way. May I ask you a quick question about our
Project?"
"11/10/97 7:28:01 PM","Professor","Please!"
"11/10/97 7:28:47 PM","Martha Washington","You state that one of
the restrictions and requirements of Project I is that ""we
must show that we have visited at least 10 sites"" How do
we show this?"
"11/10/97 7:29:12 PM","Professor","By including the 10 URLs (Web
addresses) in your report."
"11/10/97 7:29:51 PM","Martha Washington","While you are
answering that, I wanted to ask you how you feel about
grading on curves - like for instance with that incredibly
hard exam that we took on Saturday, which is nothing like
the practice exams that I relied on?"
"11/10/97 7:29:56 PM","Professor","Good evening, Mrs. Madison,
and welcome to our latest NetMeeting."
"11/10/97 7:30:06 PM","Martha Washington","How logical on the
URL's - got it, thank you."
"11/10/97 7:30:51 PM","Professor","I'm not particularly concerned
about grading on the curve, and you ought not be either.
There will be two projects to add points to your grade."
"11/10/97 7:30:53 PM","Dolly Madison","My coonection is acting a
little differnt - might have to suddenly log out and back
in"
"11/10/97 7:31:07 PM","Professor","OK, Mrs. Madison. We'll be
patient."
"11/10/97 7:31:36 PM","Martha Washington","I guess that means you
will not be grading on a curve if we didn't perform so
well?"
"11/10/97 7:31:46 PM","Dolly Madison","Hmm seems fine now"
"11/10/97 7:31:50 PM","Professor","I haven't given it much
thought, actually."
"11/10/97 7:32:17 PM","Martha Washington","Please have two
scotches before giving it any thought."
"11/10/97 7:32:37 PM","Dolly Madison","I liked your wording on
the syllabus which said 80 is ""at least a B"""
"11/10/97 7:32:38 PM","Professor","But as for Examination II
being particularly difficult, I do have to point out that 10
points came from examination questions that CHM 101 01
students wrote, themselves."
"11/10/97 7:33:17 PM","Professor","In answer to Mrs. Madison, yes
80 is at least a B. Usually, a very high 80's -- say,
89.99999 is usually an A!"
"11/10/97 7:33:32 PM","Professor","Well, of course it doesn't
have to be THAT high in the 80's."
"11/10/97 7:33:55 PM","Professor","The point is, though, that I'm
not strict about 90.00000000 being a cutoff for an A."
"11/10/97 7:34:02 PM","Dolly Madison","sounds fine"
"11/10/97 7:34:18 PM","Martha Washington","at your mercy"
"11/10/97 7:34:35 PM","Professor","Welcome, Mrs. Lincoln."
"11/10/97 7:35:06 PM","Professor","Mrs. Washington: at my mercy.
I guess I have to agree if you put it that way."
"11/10/97 7:35:20 PM","Professor","But I find it hard to defend a
B for an 89.9."
"11/10/97 7:35:59 PM","Martha Washington","I like your defense
rationale!"
"11/10/97 7:36:13 PM","Professor","I like to look at it as a
matter of the participation and each of two projects being
equal to three examination."
"11/10/97 7:36:34 PM","Professor","So half you grade is based on
questions I write, and half is based on what you do."
"11/10/97 7:36:35 PM","Mary Todd Lincoln","hello"
"11/10/97 7:36:39 PM","Martha Washington","I don't understand
that"
"11/10/97 7:36:42 PM","Dolly Madison","Learning this stuff is
challanging enough I don't think I have time to fret over
the grade toooooo much"
"11/10/97 7:36:50 PM","Professor","Hello, Mrs. Lincoln. I'm glad
you could join us."
"11/10/97 7:37:05 PM","Professor","Mrs. Madison: Yes, I think
you have the right idea."
"11/10/97 7:37:11 PM","Mary Todd Lincoln","So am I. The exam was
more difficult than I anticipated"
"11/10/97 7:37:11 PM","Martha Washington","What is Let's play
jeopardy?"
"11/10/97 7:37:14 PM","Professor","Stick to leaning the material
and the grade will follow."
"11/10/97 7:37:42 PM","Professor","Tonight I don't have any
pre-written questions, so I'll have to make them up as we go
along."
"11/10/97 7:37:47 PM","Professor","Here's the first."
"11/10/97 7:37:57 PM","Professor","It exists in the form of a
tetrahedron."
"11/10/97 7:38:00 PM","Dolly Madison","x"
"11/10/97 7:38:05 PM","Professor","Mrs. Madison?"
"11/10/97 7:38:08 PM","Dolly Madison","what is methane"
"11/10/97 7:38:09 PM","Martha Washington","m"
"11/10/97 7:38:14 PM","Professor","Mrs. Washington"
"11/10/97 7:38:24 PM","Martha Washington","SHe is correct"
"11/10/97 7:38:39 PM","Professor","0.5 for Mrs. Madison, 0.5 for
Mrs. Washington."
"11/10/97 7:38:58 PM","Professor","But let me try something else
for just a moment. Does anyone have a question about
organic chemistry?"
"11/10/97 7:39:32 PM","Professor","No?"
"11/10/97 7:39:35 PM","Dolly Madison","how the heck did they
figure out exactly which atoms went where?"
"11/10/97 7:39:50 PM","Professor","What do you mean? Be more
specific."
"11/10/97 7:39:58 PM","Martha Washington","We are saving our
questions for the Discussion Page Posting assignment"
"11/10/97 7:40:09 PM","Professor","Nicely done, Mrs. Washington!"
"11/10/97 7:40:13 PM","Mary Todd Lincoln","Could you explain the
section about urea, what was Wohler's laboratory synthesis
significance?"
"11/10/97 7:40:29 PM","Dolly Madison","I mean how do they know
exactly which electrons are being shared as well as which
hydrogen goes on which carbon"
"11/10/97 7:40:50 PM","Dolly Madison","I liked your description
of aloof electrons"
"11/10/97 7:41:11 PM","Professor","Mrs. Lincoln, and Mrs.
Madison: Mrs. Washington raised a good point. Do you want
me to answer your questions now, or do you want to save them
for the Discussion posting. Either way is OK with me, but
let me know."
"11/10/97 7:41:42 PM","Dolly Madison","either is ok with me, it's
not essential just curiosity"
"11/10/97 7:41:49 PM","Professor","Meanwhile, while you are
getting your answers (or your questions) ready, let me try
another Jeopardy answer."
"11/10/97 7:42:00 PM","Mary Todd Lincoln","You could save the
answers for posting and that will give us more time tonight"
"11/10/97 7:42:38 PM","Professor","Answer. All of these are
composed exclusively of hydrogen and carbon."
"11/10/97 7:42:44 PM","Dolly Madison","x"
"11/10/97 7:42:50 PM","Professor","Mrs. Madison,"
"11/10/97 7:42:55 PM","Dolly Madison","hydrocarbons"
"11/10/97 7:43:03 PM","Professor","Anyone?"
"11/10/97 7:43:04 PM","Dolly Madison","what are hydrocarbons"
"11/10/97 7:43:15 PM","Professor","Is Mrs. Madison right or
wrong?"
"11/10/97 7:43:37 PM","Mary Todd Lincoln","yes she is right"
"11/10/97 7:43:47 PM","Professor","0.5 for Mrs. Madison, 0.5 for
Mrs. Lincoln."
"11/10/97 7:43:50 PM","Professor","Now another one."
"11/10/97 7:44:13 PM","Professor","It's the term used for
different compounds that have the same molecular formula."
"11/10/97 7:44:20 PM","Dolly Madison","x"
"11/10/97 7:44:24 PM","Professor","Mrs. Madison?"
"11/10/97 7:44:25 PM","Mary Todd Lincoln","x"
"11/10/97 7:44:29 PM","Dolly Madison","what are isomers?"
"11/10/97 7:44:38 PM","Professor","And is Mrs. Madison right or
wrong?"
"11/10/97 7:44:51 PM","Mary Todd Lincoln","yes"
"11/10/97 7:45:01 PM","Mary Todd Lincoln","yes she is right"
"11/10/97 7:45:04 PM","Professor","0.5 for Mrs. Madison, 0.5 for
Mrs. Lincoln."
"11/10/97 7:45:13 PM","Professor","Take your time with this;
think it through."
"11/10/97 7:45:20 PM","Mary Todd Lincoln","and quick as well"
"11/10/97 7:45:35 PM","Professor","It's the name of the isomer of
the unbranched C4H10"
"11/10/97 7:45:51 PM","Mary Todd Lincoln","x"
"11/10/97 7:45:54 PM","Professor","Mrs. Lincoln"
"11/10/97 7:46:00 PM","Mary Todd Lincoln","butane"
"11/10/97 7:46:07 PM","Professor","Right or wrong?"
"11/10/97 7:46:07 PM","Dolly Madison","x"
"11/10/97 7:46:10 PM","Dolly Madison","she is right"
"11/10/97 7:46:10 PM","Professor","Mrs. Madison"
"11/10/97 7:46:32 PM","Professor","HORRAY, You are BOTH wrong!"
"11/10/97 7:46:40 PM","Dolly Madison","oops"
"11/10/97 7:46:44 PM","Professor","Now who can tell me why."
"11/10/97 7:46:57 PM","Dolly Madison","butane is the unbranched"
"11/10/97 7:47:04 PM","Professor","(I guess that should have been
HOORAY!)"
"11/10/97 7:47:14 PM","Professor","So what is the right
question?"
"11/10/97 7:47:30 PM","Dolly Madison","what is isobutane"
"11/10/97 7:47:35 PM","Professor","Now you've got it."
"11/10/97 7:47:36 PM","Mary Todd Lincoln","I hate to be guess,
but could it be what is isobutane?"
"11/10/97 7:47:45 PM","Professor","It goes like this:"
"11/10/97 7:48:08 PM","Professor","Butane is the unbranched
C4H10, so the ISOMER of the unbranched C4H10 must be
isobutane."
"11/10/97 7:48:17 PM","Professor","Everyone got it?"
"11/10/97 7:48:29 PM","Mary Todd Lincoln","yes"
"11/10/97 7:48:37 PM","Dolly Madison","got it"
"11/10/97 7:48:52 PM","Professor","Mrs. Washington, or were you
out while we were discussing this?"
"11/10/97 7:49:44 PM","Professor","And while we are at it, here's
a question for all of you. No buzzer needed for this; just
answer away: What is the most important reaction of
alkanes, and why?"
"11/10/97 7:50:36 PM","Dolly Madison","It burns?"
"11/10/97 7:50:44 PM","Professor","Yes. Now Why?"
"11/10/97 7:50:45 PM","Mary Todd Lincoln","That they are so
explosive?"
"11/10/97 7:51:01 PM","Professor","No, not explosive, at least
not normally."
"11/10/97 7:51:06 PM","Dolly Madison","We use them as source for
energy?"
"11/10/97 7:51:20 PM","Professor","Why is the fact that alkanes
burn so very important to us?"
"11/10/97 7:51:28 PM","Mary Todd Lincoln","They are odorless and
the gas can build up undetected for a long time"
"11/10/97 7:51:42 PM","Professor","True, but that's not the
reason."
"11/10/97 7:52:06 PM","Professor","Actually, I should be
emphasizing HYDROCARBONS rather than ALKANES. "
"11/10/97 7:52:29 PM","Professor","Why is the fact that
hydrocarbons in general burn so readily so very important to
all of us."
"11/10/97 7:52:45 PM","Professor","(Hint: What makes up
gasoline?)"
"11/10/97 7:52:46 PM","Dolly Madison","Sun, energy, etc?"
"11/10/97 7:53:13 PM","Professor","Anyone know what gasoline is
made up of?"
"11/10/97 7:53:30 PM","Mary Todd Lincoln","no"
"11/10/97 7:53:35 PM","Dolly Madison","Dependence on ozone
destroying stuff - we aren't admitting importance"
"11/10/97 7:53:38 PM","Professor","Hydrocarbons."
"11/10/97 7:54:38 PM","Professor","It comes down to this: a very
large part of the energy the makes our society run comes
from hydrocarbons. Things like gasoline, fuel oil, diesel
fuel, jet fuel, petroleum, oil, etc. These are all composed
of hydrocarbons."
"11/10/97 7:54:59 PM","Professor","As for ozone destruction,
we'll get to that and other environmental issues a bit
later."
"11/10/97 7:55:14 PM","Professor","Right now: Hydrocarbons are
our major source of energy."
"11/10/97 7:55:21 PM","Dolly Madison","agree"
"11/10/97 7:55:35 PM","Mary Todd Lincoln","So hydrocarbon supply
a readily available source of fuel"
"11/10/97 7:55:51 PM","Professor","Here's another answer: It's
the alkane missing from the series: methane ethane propane
butane hexane heptane octane nonane decane."
"11/10/97 7:56:14 PM","Professor","Mrs. Lincoln: Yes.
Hydrocarbons are our most readily available source of fuel."
"11/10/97 7:56:40 PM","Dolly Madison","x"
"11/10/97 7:56:40 PM","Mary Todd Lincoln","pentane"
"11/10/97 7:56:43 PM","Professor","We'll see how that affects us
in the next chapter. In this current chapter we'll first
learn a bit of hydrocarbon chemistry."
"11/10/97 7:56:49 PM","Dolly Madison","she's right"
"11/10/97 7:56:57 PM","Professor","Whoops. Not so fast."
"11/10/97 7:57:16 PM","Mary Todd Lincoln","Sorry about that"
"11/10/97 7:57:18 PM","Professor","Mrs. Madison rang in first, so
it's up to Mrs. Lincoln to tell us whether Mrs. Madison is
right."
"11/10/97 7:57:29 PM","Professor","Mrs. Lincoln?"
"11/10/97 7:57:30 PM","Dolly Madison","what is pentane"
"11/10/97 7:57:40 PM","Mary Todd Lincoln","she is correct"
"11/10/97 7:57:54 PM","Professor","NOW, we have 0.5 for Mrs.
Madison and 0.5 for Mrs. Lincoln."
"11/10/97 7:58:41 PM","Professor","Let's try one more. When two
methyl radicals come together and form a covalent bond
joining the two methyl groups, what do we call the new
alkane that's formed?"
"11/10/97 7:59:07 PM","Dolly Madison","x"
"11/10/97 7:59:14 PM","Professor","Mrs. Madison?"
"11/10/97 7:59:45 PM","Dolly Madison","what is ethane?"
"11/10/97 7:59:58 PM","Professor","And is Mrs. Madison right or
wrong?"
"11/10/97 8:00:49 PM","Professor","Anyone? (except Mrs. Madison)
Is Mrs. Madison right ro wrong?"
"11/10/97 8:01:02 PM","Professor","Mrs. Lincoln, are you still
there?"
"11/10/97 8:01:20 PM","Professor","No, Mrs. Lincoln is not here."
"11/10/97 8:01:31 PM","Mary Todd Lincoln","Yes but I'm not sure"
"11/10/97 8:01:59 PM","Professor","Then we'll just give Mrs.
Madison 0.5 for being right."
"11/10/97 8:02:09 PM","Martha Washington","Really having phone
modem problems this eveningl WOuld you be so kind as to
e-mail the text of this next meeting?"
"11/10/97 8:02:16 PM","Professor","Now it's running a bit late,
so here's what we will do."
"11/10/97 8:02:30 PM","Martha Washington","I meant this evening's
meetings?"
"11/10/97 8:02:41 PM","Martha Washington","meeting. I'll be
okay."
"11/10/97 8:02:48 PM","Professor","(Mrs. Washington, I'll try
mailing you the text of this meeting. I haven't tried this
before, but I will try it tomorrow.)"
"11/10/97 8:02:58 PM","Mary Todd Lincoln","I don't believe that
is the right answer"
"11/10/97 8:03:29 PM","Professor","Ah, Mrs. Lincoln, but it IS
right. Two methyl radical can come together, for a covalent
bond to each other, and the result is ethane."
"11/10/97 8:03:45 PM","Dolly Madison","whew!"
"11/10/97 8:04:12 PM","Professor","Anyway, I suggest that Mrs.
Madison and Mrs. Lincoln post your more involved questions
on the Discussion page, and I'll answer them there. That
way you can save them for Discussion credit this week."
"11/10/97 8:04:21 PM","Dolly Madison","ok"
"11/10/97 8:04:26 PM","Mary Todd Lincoln","Mrs. Madison, you
really studied the chapter."
"11/10/97 8:04:36 PM","Professor","Meanwhile, does anyone have
any short, simple questions for the last few minutes of
tonight's session?"
"11/10/97 8:04:40 PM","Dolly Madison","I got scared by the exam"
"11/10/97 8:04:43 PM","Martha Washington","No."
"11/10/97 8:05:12 PM","Professor","I'm having the examination
machine graded tonight and will send everyone e-mail
messages with some brief comments about it."
"11/10/97 8:05:36 PM","Dolly Madison","Luckily there were no real
IUPAC questions, that is mind boggling"
"11/10/97 8:05:56 PM","Professor","I sense there is some anxiety
about that 2nd examination."
"11/10/97 8:06:11 PM","Martha Washington","You sense correctly
Professor."
. . . . . [deleted material] . . . . .
"11/10/97 8:09:37 PM","Professor","Before we quit, I have a
question for the 3 of you."
"11/10/97 8:10:29 PM","Professor","I, personally, like two
different types of Discussion postings: 1) your questions,
which I can answer on the Discussion board, and 2)
multiple-choice questions that you write and that I can
include on and examination. Which, if either, do you
favor?"
"11/10/97 8:11:04 PM","Dolly Madison","Both"
"11/10/97 8:11:13 PM","Martha Washington","I think it is good to
have the option of both."
"11/10/97 8:11:15 PM","Professor","Mrs. Madison, Fair enough!"
"11/10/97 8:11:25 PM","Mary Todd Lincoln","Both are fine"
"11/10/97 8:11:53 PM","Professor","I think that's what we'll do
from now on in the Discussion part. You will have the
option of either."
"11/10/97 8:12:11 PM","Professor","And maybe I'll even ask you
for BOTH for extra credit."
"11/10/97 8:12:21 PM","Dolly Madison","okay"
"11/10/97 8:12:40 PM","Professor","Hmmmmm. That idea of extra
credit for more particiaption from you is not a bad idea at
all."
"11/10/97 8:12:43 PM","Mary Todd Lincoln","sounds good"
"11/10/97 8:12:47 PM","Martha Washington","After that Exam -
extra credit sounds great."
"11/10/97 8:13:18 PM","Professor","Then that's what we'll do.
From now on you will have the option of 3 or 6 points for
the Discussion posting. That policy will start next week."
"11/10/97 8:13:29 PM","Mary Todd Lincoln","That would offset
wrong answers on the homework"
"11/10/97 8:13:39 PM","Professor","Wrong answers on anything!"
"11/10/97 8:13:59 PM","Dolly Madison","sounds great"
"11/10/97 8:14:08 PM","Professor","So it's about time to log off.
Any last minute thoughts, comments, or questions?"
"11/10/97 8:14:25 PM","Mary Todd Lincoln","I really enjoyed
Jeopardy"
"11/10/97 8:14:31 PM","Professor","Good. Thanks."
"11/10/97 8:14:46 PM","Martha Washington","Mrs. Lincoln - I'm
glad you brought up the homework. Professor - would you
reconsider that we could show evidence of time invested on
the homework with the completion of the exercise. But to be
graded on a wrong or right answer basis seems a bit harsh .
. .?"
"11/10/97 8:15:18 PM","Professor","Mrs. Washington, The answer
is no, but I'd like to explain why."
"11/10/97 8:16:15 PM","Professor","In fact, I find that my
explanation will go on and on, and I just don't have the
time to give it justice tonight."
"11/10/97 8:16:40 PM","Professor","I'd like to respond to Mrs.
Washington's comment, but at the moment I'm not sure by what
means."
"11/10/97 8:17:06 PM","Professor","It could be throught a
Discussion posting, it could be through a listserver message
to everyone."
"11/10/97 8:17:20 PM","Professor","Let me think about how best to
respond, by what means."
"11/10/97 8:17:49 PM","Professor","I *will* explain why the
answer is no, but I'm not sure at the moment what means I
will uise."
"11/10/97 8:17:57 PM","Martha Washington","It's like giving
partial credit on the steps of a math theorem - the thought
process may be okay up to the point of a misunderstanding
that leaves you off course."
"11/10/97 8:18:18 PM","Professor","Ah, but that's a bit different
from giving credit for effort or for time spent."
"11/10/97 8:18:35 PM","Professor","Partial credit for a partially
correct thought process is fine, and is justifiable."
"11/10/97 8:19:02 PM","Professor","But not simply for time and
effort. It has to be effort directed along a reasonable
path."
"11/10/97 8:19:22 PM","Dolly Madison","Truthfully, I find my
incorrect thought processes take more time than the right
one."
"11/10/97 8:19:25 PM","Professor","That's the basis for my
negative response. I'd like to elaborate on it."
"11/10/97 8:19:36 PM","Martha Washington","I agree with you Mrs.
Madison."
"11/10/97 8:19:52 PM","Professor","Let us all sign off tonight,
and I'll get my response out to everyone on CHM 101 01 by
one means or another."
"11/10/97 8:20:01 PM","Martha Washington","Good Night."
. . . . . [deleted material] . . . . .
"11/10/97 8:20:03 PM","Professor","Anything else?"
"11/10/97 8:20:08 PM","Dolly Madison","goodnight"
"11/10/97 8:20:10 PM","Professor","Goodnight all."
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"11/10/97 8:20:31 PM","Mary Todd Lincoln","Godd night"
"11/10/97 8:20:48 PM","Mary Todd Lincoln","That's good night"
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